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REPORT OF THE 35th MEETING OF ASEAN CHARTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER COORDINATING COMMITTEE (ACPECC) 12 Oct 2017, Siem Reap, Cambodia

 The 35th Meeting of the ASEAN Chartered Professional Engineers Coordinating Committee (ACPECC) was held on 12 October 2017 in Siem Reap, Cambodia back to back with the 88th Meeting of the ASEAN Coordinating Committee on Services (CCS).

 The Meeting was chaired by Er. Ho Siong Hin, President of the Professional Engineers Board of Singapore.

 The Meeting was attended by representatives from all ASEAN Member States (AMS) and the ASEAN Secretariat staff. 

 The Meeting noted the letter from Brunei Darussalam Monitoring Committee for Engineering on the change of the Chairman of MC for Engineering, which appears as ANNEX 3. Brunei Darussalam will update the Assessment Statement to incorporate the information on the new chairman for submission at the next meeting.

 The latest status of AMS submission on Assessment Statements and Monitoring Committee as of this 35th ACPECC meeting is as follows:

No

AMS

Assessment Statements

Monitoring Committee

1

Brunei Darussalam

26th ACPECC (CCS 79)

To be updated at 36th ACPECC

35th              ACPECC (CCS 88)    Revised

2

Cambodia

23rd ACPECC (CCS 76)

23rd              ACPECC   (CCS 76)   Revised

3

Indonesia

1st ACPECC (CCS 54)

 

32nd             ACPECC   (CCS 85) Revised

4

Lao PDR

34th ACPECC (CCS 87) Revised

31st              ACPECC   (CCS 84) Revised

5

Malaysia

1st ACPECC (CCS 54)

33rd              ACPECC   (CCS 86) Revised

6

Myanmar

14th ACPECC (CCS 67)

28th              ACPECC   (CCS 81) Revised

7

Philippines

17th ACPECC (CCS 70)

29th              ACPECC   (CCS 82)    Revised

8

Singapore

1st ACPECC (CCS 54)

28th              ACPECC (CCS 81) Revised

9

Thailand

29th ACPECC (CCS 82) Revised

30th              ACPECC (CCS 83) Revised

10

Viet Nam

4th ACPECC (CCS 57)

31st              ACPECC (CCS 84) Revised

 At this meeting, the ACPECC Secretariat distributed the 196 certificates applications approved at the previous ACPECC meetings. (post meeting note: 8 certificates from Viet Nam could not be distributed, pending correction of  name of ACPECC Chairman in the certificates)

At this Meeting, the Meeting considered the submission of 169 applications for ACPEs, 1 from Brunei Darussalam, 7 from Cambodia, 10 from Indonesia, 47 from Malaysia, 59 from Myanmar, 20 from the Philippines, 10 from Singapore, and 15 from Thailand. The Meeting requested Brunei Darussalam to forward the information on the university from which applicant received his degree as well as information on the last 3 columns (ACPECC Meeting Date, Status and ACPE Batch).

 Reviewing Myanmar applications, the Meeting noted 1 applicant with “Architecture Engineering Discipline”, and Myanmar agreed to withdraw the application.

 The Meeting discussed for applicants who have 7 years of experience, the number of months should be indicated for clarity. If not, as a general rule, the Meeting decided that for application with 7 years’ experience only, the year of graduation shall be deemed as December of the year. From Thailand submission, there are 3 applicants in such situation, (i.e. practical experience is indicated as 7 years only). The Meeting therefore requested Thailand to resubmit those 3 applicants at the next meeting.

 The Meeting agreed for future application, the address should be the practice address. However, the Monitoring Committee should keep record of the home address and practice address.

 The Meeting agreed to discuss in more detail the possibility of a PE to register in more than one discipline at the next meeting, taking into consideration previous discussions, if any, on this matter, bearing in mind the purpose of the MRA is to facilitate the mobility of ASEAN engineers. In this regard, Malaysia’s stance and current practice is that an ACPE should only be registered in one engineering discipline.

 The Meeting approved 165 applications for ACPEs. To date, the total number of ACPEs on the ACPER is 2,717 with the following breakdown:

AMS

34th ACPECC

35th ACPECC

Cumulative

Approved Application

Cumulative

Brunei Darussalam

15

1

16

Cambodia

53

7

60

Indonesia

962

10

972

Lao PDR

11

-

11

Malaysia

304

47

351

Myanmar

299

58

357

Philippines

260

20

280

Singapore

257

10

267

Thailand

187

12

199

Viet Nam

204

-

204

Total

2,552

165

2,717

 The Meeting updated the list of PRA/MC websites as follows:

No

Member States

PRA/MC Web Address

1

Brunei Darussalam

www.bapeqs.gov.bn (PRA)

2

Cambodia

www.bec.gov.kh         (PRA)

3

Indonesia

www.imc.or.id            (NMC)

www.lpjk.net               (PRA)

4

Lao PDR

www.mpwt.gov.la/en/        (PRA)

5

Malaysia

www.bem.org.my       (PRA) 

6

Myanmar

www.MyanmarEngC.org (PRA)

7

Philippines

www.prc.gov.ph         (PRA)

8

Singapore

www.peb.gov.sg        (PRA)

9

Thailand

www.coe.or.th            (PRA)

10

Viet Nam

www.vietnammc.vn    (PRA)

ACPECC Website

www.acpecc.net

 The Meeting reviewed, provided inputs and adopted the Summary of the joint ACPECC-AAC Roundtable Discussion held on 11 October 2017 in Siem Reap, Cambodia.

The Meeting proposed that future roundtables should have a specific theme determined by the host country for more strategic and meaningful discussions.

 The Meeting noted revised RFPE application form and RFPE Guidelines from Brunei Darussalam, revised RFPE application forms from Myanmar and Singapore,

Indonesia informed the Meeting the contact persons for registering RFPE and Registered Foreign Architect (RFA),

 The Meeting noted that the RFPE application is opened in Brunei Darussalam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines and Singapore; and look forward to the implementation of the RFPE registration process in Cambodia, Lao PDR, Thailand and Viet Nam by 31 December 2017.

 The Meeting noted the registration of 3 RFPE by Myanmar (2 from Malaysia and 1 from Singapore)

 The Meeting took note of 1 RFPE application pending approval from Malaysia to the Philippines, and 1 RFPE application pending approval from Malaysia to Indonesia.

 The latest status of RFPE registration is as follows:

 

Professional Regulatory Authority (PRA)

BN

CA

ID

LA

MY

MM

PH

SG

TH

VN

Total

RFPE

BN

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

KH

 

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

ID

 

 

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

LA

 

 

 

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

MY

 

 

 

 

-

2

 

 

 

 

2

MM

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

1

 

 

1

PH

 

 

 

 

1

 

-

 

 

 

1

SG

 

 

 

 

4

1

 

-

 

 

5

TH

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

-

 

1

VN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

0

Total

0

0

0

0

6

3

0

1

0

0

10

AMS updated the status of their RFPE process in their countries. The status of RFPE Implementation:

AMS

Status of Implementation as of 35th ACPECC

Follow-up

Brunei Darussalam

In place

To update the status

Cambodia

To implement by 31 Dec 2017

To submit RFPE Application Form and Guidelines

Indonesia

In place

To update the status

Lao PDR

To implement by 31 Dec 2017

To submit RFPE Application Form and Guidelines

Malaysia

In place

To update the status

Myanmar

In place

To update the status

Philippines

In place

To update the status

Singapore

In place

To update the status

Thailand

To implement by 31 Dec 2017

To submit RFPE Application Form and Guidelines

Viet Nam

To implement by 31 Dec 2017

To submit RFPE Application Form and Guidelines

 The Meeting discussed the feasibility to have a common RFPE application form. Malaysia volunteered to draft a common RFPE application form for consideration by ACPECC. As follow up, ASEAN Secretariat will provide Malaysia with the latest version of AMS RFPE application forms and guidelines.

 AMS updated the information on their respective fees for registering ACPEs and RFPEs as follows:

AMS

Registration Fee

ACPE

RFPE

Brunei Darussalam

Free

BND 150 processing

BND 300 /year registration

Cambodia

USD 100 application

USD 200 Approval (one-time)

To be confirmed

Indonesia

Free

USD 100 for 3 years

Lao PDR

Free

To be confirmed

Malaysia

Free

RM 300 application

RM 300 registration

RM 500/year renewal

Myanmar

USD 40 one-time

USD 75 Application

USD 150 Registration

USD 200 Annual Fee

Philippines

PHP 2,000 application

PHP 5,000 upon approval

PHP 3,000 (processing)

PHP 8,000 (approval)/year

Singapore

SGD 100 one-time

SGD 300 / year

Thailand

THB 1,000 application fee

THB 2,000 registration (for 3 years)

THB 1,500 application

THB 3,500 annual fee

THB 5,000 renewal / year

(proposed figures to be confirmed)

Viet Nam

Free

To be confirmed

 The Meeting deliberated on the subject of uniformed fee for ACPE and RFPE registration. In view that different AMS has different consideration the Meeting agreed that each AMS shall determine their respective registration fee for ACPE and RFPE registration.

 The Meeting updated the Roadmap to Implement the ASEAN MRA on Engineering Service .

 On item 9 of the Roadmap (Addressing CCS leaders on issues pertaining to Labour Laws and Immigration Laws and other related laws and regulations to facilitate the implementation of the MRA, as recommended under initiative number 8), the Meeting noted that since the Study Group on Mobility (SGM– ACPECC) has been discontinued, it is now proposed that the BSSWG and CCS shall provide guidance and directive as to who shall look into the abovementioned matters.

           Highlights on ASEAN Higher Bodies Decisions

 The ASEAN Secretariat briefed the Meeting on the decisions of ASEAN Higher Bodies.

The Meeting appreciated the ASEAN Secretariat for highlighting the decisions of higher bodies and requested it should be a regular agenda item in the ACPECC meetings. 

 Clarifications were sought on the ASEAN Trade in Services Agreement (ATISA) and its relevance to the ASEAN MRA on Engineering Services and the work of ACPECC. The ASEAN Secretariat informed that ATISA is a comprehensive Trade in Services Agreement, which will replace ASEAN Framework Agreement on Services (AFAS) signed in 1995; ATISA will include AMS commitments in Engineering Services scheduled in AFAS Packages; The MRA in Engineering Services is a separate arrangement and will not be part of ATISA.

 The Meeting discussed CCS request for ACPECC to deliberate on the issue of expanding the coverage of the MRA on Engineering Services to include Engineering Technologist and Technician for Integrated Engineering Services”. The Meeting noted that aside from Lao PDR, Malaysia, Myanmar and Viet Nam, the remaining AMS in the ACPECC are not mandated to represent the “Engineering Technologist and Technician for Integrated Engineering Services”. As such the Meeting recommended not to expand the scope of the MRA on Engineering Services, but seek the guidance and decision of the CCS with regards to the setting up of a new working group to develop a new MRA on Engineering Technologist and Technician for Integrated Engineering Services.

 The Meeting noted the highlights on ASEAN Qualifications Reference Framework (AQRF) and discussed the possibility to coordinate with the AQRF Committee on the matters pertaining to engineering qualifications requirements. Indonesia volunteered to look into the AQRF and determine if there is any relevance to the work of ACPECC.

 The Meeting expressed their sincere appreciation to the Government of Cambodia for the warm hospitality and excellent arrangements made for the Joint ACPECC-AAC Roundtable Discussion and site visit, as well as the 35th ACPECC Meeting on 11 and 12 October 2017 respectively.